Australian Julia Gillard claims that people only cared about Hillary Clinton’s hair when she was Secretary of State. She then tossed the topic to Hillary who went down the rabbit hole with a rambling monologue on appearance. She claimed doing hair and make-up is a “time suck” and puts women on the defensive. She then attacked Trump saying he’s uneasy with women in power. Lordy…this just spiraled down into these two women outdoing each other with being called a “witch” or saying, “lock her up”.

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Twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton spoke in Melbourne Thursday with Australia’s first female prime minister Julia Gillard. The two discussed misogyny in politics and Clinton yet again blamed sexism for her 2016 loss, implying that the U.S. just couldn’t handle a leader who is a woman.

“There is still a very large proportion of the population that is uneasy with women in positions of leadership,” Clinton told Gillard, “and so the easiest way to kind of avoid having to look at someone on her merits is to dismiss her on her looks.”

Gillard compared the chants of “lock her up” that Clinton faced during the election to “the Salem Witch Trials.”

“There is this fear, there is this anger, even rage about women seeking power, women exercising power and people fall back on these attacks like you’re a witch or you should go to prison,” Clinton agreed. “It’s not a majority, thank goodness, it’s not, but it’s a very vocal minority at least in my country. And sometimes these tropes are very much part of the press coverage.”

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